The ironhold party is the follow-up of the Black belt party, my 1st group. Frank, Danny, Ruud, Richard and Johan were part of that group which started in 1979 or so... Later Danny joined a clubhouse called where he played tabletennis. He invited me to join and a few years later we met Tom and Remco there. They heard us talking about AD&D (what else?) It took a while but after some persuasion we decided to learn them .